Pope John Paul II . He clearly says that their fate depends on their actions. But opting out of some of these cookies may have an effect on your browsing experience. But makes sense to me. He unlocks us, takes our hand and says “let’s go!” It’s still up the individual to 1. accept salvation (which is an action), and then stay out of the burning house in the future. No unrepentant sinner can ever be confident in his salvation, even if, in some point in the past, he has prayed the sinner’s prayer. In “Reformed” Is Not Enough, ... “We are saved through faith alone, but never through a faith that is alone. Yes, our “works” (the thing we try to do to make ourselves “good enough”) are like filthy rags BUT that doesn’t mean WE are filthy rags! Aug 7, 2014 - Thought of the Day: No army is big enough to conquer the galaxy. But when God has done this wonderful work, the faithful instrument does not shrivel up and die. Anyhow, thank you again for thinking “out loud” on this one. That said, I do agree that some sins are more hardened and more serious than others and evidence a more open rejection of Christ than others. True faith means that the fruit of your spirit will bear good fruit. He is basically saying that you have to live a perfect life. 3. 10 If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commandments and abide in his love. If I had any part in my salvation (works), then both Jesus and I could receive credit for eternal life! I know there is the “nothing can separate us from God’s love” one–but that talks about God’s love, not our salvation. With that growth it becomes harder and harder for me to choose to turn away from Him because my habits are geared towards Him. 13 Greater love has no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. Words in Catholic theology have different meaning and nuances than what is immediately perceived by the average reader. Mind-blowing, huh? He is mad at the man who claims he needs to be saved and says “leave me alone” . And really, doesn’t that just make sense? The Bible makes that plain. By, all means, comment away! Works will be apart of the believers life but not for salvation but because of salvation. We are justified, but we aren’t perfect. He see’s His Son as perfection covering us or not covering us. I actually had heard most everything on the list, but that type of article is DEFINITELY needed. Then you refer to probably the most debate passage in the New Testament, in James chapter two. (Don’t ever give me a plant. 2. Like the lack of assurance in Salvation. This category only includes cookies that ensures basic functionalities and security features of the website. We both agree we will never be perfect and have anything to lay at our Lord’s feet saying . Finally, let's look at a passage from the Gospel of Luke: How can man have ultimate free will when we are taught the opposite?When a person has been granted life you see a conversion happen.A person at one time is not a lover of God(loves his sin)and is awakened,born again which for sure cause new life. Yes, I did just write a double negative and I meant it that way. so this is helpful in clarifying things. “For by grace you have been saved through faith. But what keeps us in the Kingdom is the Temple. However, we all fail and come short. Is that correct? I fully subscribe to the once saved/always saved view, but I agree with you that this is taken by some Protestants to an extreme. I speak in love and enjoy sharing what i believe. What would the Catholic interpretation of these verses be? Saying that we need to cooperate with grace in the hope of salvation can never make one righteous. Being a good spouse will make your life happier and easier, but it won’t make you any more married than you were before. i would like to know who out there believes this?? If I am a Bible believing Christian, Neyssa, what am I suppose to believe? I know I did: “How Francis Chan Helped Me Become Catholic” https://frontierruminations.wordpress.com/2014/06/06/how-francis-chan-helped-me-become-catholic/. They have been paid in Full.If a man is converted,Born again, He is a new creation. ( all biblical terms)God takes out our stoney heart and gives us a new one and it was not done with our free will but His. A common religious doctrine is salvation by "faith only" or "faith alone." We will have new natures that have been sealed by the Spirit.. We don’t need anymore graces that will help for salvation . What I’m saying is that it isn’t enough to just believe and then continue on with your life as normal. While James 2:24 is the only verse that contains the precise phrase “faith alone,” there are many other verses that do, in fact, teach salvation by faith alone. : Straightening up, Jesus said to her, “Woman, where are they? being born again? Actually the complete and proper definition, when taking ALL of scripture into account is: These cookies help provide information on metrics the number of visitors, bounce rate, traffic source, etc. ( Math. We have no idea. You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. His sacrifice was enough. Apostle Peter asked a very important question. I was just explaining this to a non-catholic friend of mine. The other one in Protestantism is Calvinism. Don’t put a requirement on what is not given. In this line you wrote, “What I mean is, with the Eucharist–it either is or is not the real body and blood.” I think you need to capitalize “Body” and “Blood” because you are referring to Christ’s Body and Blood and anytime He is mentioned, His names are capitalized. If I’m understanding your argument correctly, I should not be able to do these things until AFTER I’m saved because my dead nature makes it impossible. So it IS faith that saves us, but not just any kind of faith. (Only so many hours in the day!) The 10 commandments are given to show us we are law breakers, and that it is impossible to keep them. Is Amos 8:11-12 a prediction of the Great Apostasy? the new nature? It’s not the number that matters, but the direction. If we are slaves to sin we need to be freed. Brittany, I hope you don’t mind a guy responding. Paul had an answer: “[We] know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. Works don’t save us–faith does–but that doesn’t mean that works don’t matter. How do you respond when people say ‘Isn’t faith alone enough’? Fixed! Nor does he say that deeds are more important than beliefs. It is a gift. This is very unbiblical, and contradicts what Jesus says in certain instances, and especially what Paul tells us, along with 1 John. In marriage we are in a contract with our spouse. I have committed mortal sin in the last week in fact. Otherwise, if I accept it and sit it in a corner somewhere and never pay attention to it again, it will die. Growing up, I was always taught it was a sure thing and we didn’t have to worry about it. The important thing that I really appreciate you stressing is that Catholics do NOT believe good works earn you heaven. Instead, to get to heaven, we have to live good, moral lives as well. Christian members please remember to read the Statement of Purpose threads for each forum within Christian Congregations before posting in the forum. 5. Sounds like we’re on the same page here! There would be no salvation had Christ not died for us, that’s true. Growing up, I would have said that it depends. They like to read their own theologies into scripture to make it fit and make sense, rather than just looking at scripture and allowing it to speak for itself. That’s why our actions are so important. It’s also important in any discussion of salvation to ask where love is in the equation. Now sanctification is different than justification. I really wish someone answers this for me: Some people were not born into Christian families, some never had the oportunity to learn about Jesus. Thank you for continuing this series – looking forward to upcoming posts! I had several of those in RCIA. There is only one who is good. Grace has always been shown why one is saved.If you say grace only comes through faith and this is from Christ. You and I both agree this person is lacking faith. Great passage. Some see a difference between Paul (salvation is by faith alone) and James (salvation is by faith plus works). That faith IS what saves us, but not just any kind of faith. Hello! We can only look in our hearts and choose to let our faith and our works line up as we follow Him. I wanted to also add to and support Brittany’s suggestion that such a principle doesn’t mean Protestants like me believe someone can live any way they want and still be considered a Christian. but I’ll have to investigate the verses more. Just as faith without good deeds is dead, also good deeds without faith gets you no where. Not because I have a hard time understanding or accepting the teachings of either side, but because it’s such a huge, messy and complex issue–it’s hard to really nail down. You give it to me no strings attached. All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does not lead to death.”. Catholics also believe this 100%. He still covers us, He just gave us a detailed roadmap of how. If you truly, truly believe, then your actions will automatically follow as a result. The ONLY PLACE in the whole Bible that the words ‘faith’ and ‘alone’ are together is in James 2. p.s. But one thing that surprised me was that Catholics don’t see your salvation as a sure thing until you are actually in Heaven. For an absolutely FANTASTIC explanation on this topic, I highly, highly recommend listening to this video clip of Francis Chan. Share on Twitter. So in the end it comes back to the faith. After all, even the demons “just believe.” Satan “just believes.” Are they Christians then? Circumcision never saved anyone, it was faith. Hi to both and all of you, I hope we all make it <3 It can be very confusing really. I now “get” the gospel. Lee, you said: “We will never know if we’re saved because we’ll never know if we’ve done enough in this life to make the cut!”… by the same token, if such thinking is applied to the faith alone approach then one could also ask: If it is by faith only, then how much faith will be enough to be saved? Works would justify us. His drawing power,converting the soul? When Paul says we are not saved by works, he is often specifically speaking about the 613 works of the law. Equipping Godly Women is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for websites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com. 4. We have a responsibility. That repentance is further evidence of Christ’s work in a person’s life, and when a person remains unrepentant and unconcerned by their sin, we should question whether or not they are truly in Christ. Wanting to serve Him, love Him,for what he has DONE. 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